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22 July 2008 @ 04:32 pm
The new Batman movie and my take on the Joker  

So I went and saw The Dark Knight.


The Joker definitely owns that movie.

I regret that Heath Ledger was not able to see his role come to life on the big screen.

Because he was just...Wow.

I've seen so many sociopaths and psychopaths played out on the big screen and in books and (yes, in my mind when I'm writing), but this one is new. It actually took me by surprise.

His greatest evil, and he is evil, is in his ability to use basic human nature as his weapon.

He is not content to just perform heinous acts on people.


His viciousness lives in making one person perform these acts on another.

Usually, he wins at that. However that one scene at the end with the ferries and the convicts and the silent vote, it didn't.

Of course, that was per the movie. Once hubby and I talked about it on the way home, we came to the same conclusion.

That the ferry scene wouldn't have happened the way it did.

Although, it was a great way to show that any one person who thought they could do it, like the man who had gotten up to push the button on the detonator, couldn't in the end.

Would you want to be the person that pushed the button?


I didn't think so.

I also found another part of the Joker quite fascinating.

When he told the story of how he got the scars on his face the first time, I could understand how that kind of thing could damage a person and I actually felt myself feeling for him. Just for a second, mind you.

After all, I know all too well what kind of scars, physical and mental, a parent can leave behind.

But when he told his story later to Rachel, his tale changed.

And I felt like such an idiot for feeling anything in the slightest for him when he last told his story of woe.

But that was what made him so fascinating.

He lied about it. He was using his scars to bring out that in people which makes them human.

Their ability to empathize.

God only knows where he got the scars, not that it matters.

For all we know, he inflicted them on himself.

That would be just like him.

Another thing about this movie and the last one, Batman Begins, is that they are very different animals from the first two Batman movies, with its strange Tim Burton-esque colors and cartoon-like villains. And as for the two middle Batman movies, the ones I rarely acknowledge (I mean, really, George Clooney as Batman?), the new Batman movies aren't even on the same playing field.

I love the new movies for their realistic approach to the Batman chronicles. The villains are real looking. The Joker is not the hapless victim of radioactive green goop, and there are no mutant penguin-men or women with nine lives. I've already expressed my love for Ledger's Joker. But what about Harvey Dent AKA Two-Face? You know the man won't be living long, not with the scarring he received.

And what about Gotham? Gotham in the latest movies looks like a cross between Chicago and New York, not a sound stage cast in eternal darkness and fog.
The first scene opens up with the Joker standing on a street corner in broad daylight, slumped and fidgeting, just waiting.

I don't know why, but that scene sets the whole movie up for me.

Because this is his movie, the Joker's that is.

The first one (Batman Begins) was Batman's (Christian Bale). And I loved the first one because it showed us a Bruce Wayne that we could believe was Batman.

But this movie, is his (the Joker's) movie and somewhere, I hope, Heath knows it.

Anywho, I saw the movie on Saturday night and I'm still thinking about the character of the Joker. What does that have to say about it?

Except for the character of Lars from Lars and the Real Girl (and that scene where he's with the doctor and you see him coming to terms with being able to touch people again - that scene killed me in the theatre and still bothers me to this day), I rarely find myself still thinking about a move character this long.
Current Mood: enthralledenthralled
charlie_jae on July 23rd, 2008 01:15 am (UTC)
The first words that left my friends Zee's mouth after watching was... "Joker stole the show." It took me a minute to let that sink in, there was not one part that didn't pop out in its own way.

ITs like they made it their own, and it was beautiful.
Maria: Joker - clappingslave_o_spike on July 23rd, 2008 03:59 am (UTC)
*sniff sniff*

It was beautiful...

I wonder if there's a place for Joker fic?
rosy5000: Batman-Bat Clown Coprosy5000 on July 23rd, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
I saw TDK on Friday night and am still in awe. The Joker took you through so many emotions, from laughing to cringing to near crying. Such a complex portrayal. Most of all... he was just bone chilling. And I loved it. I really want to see the movie a few more times in the theater.
Maria: Joker - Why so Serious?slave_o_spike on July 23rd, 2008 04:01 am (UTC)
Me too.

I want to see it again too. I know there's so much I missed.

Ledger was perfect and I keep seeing that scene where he's sitting in the holding cell and 'bone-chilling' is the exact phrase that suits him perfectly there.

I liked Oldman as Gordon too (Bale goes without saying - but I liked him better in the first movie).
(Anonymous) on July 24th, 2008 04:22 am (UTC)
WhY sO seRiouS??
For some reason I've been fixated on the joker character as well. I dont know why. It might have to do with the whole mystic of heath ledgers death, and an eerie simalarity to brandon lee (face paint). But I think more so, it has do with that performace. Just...phenomenol. I've seen the movie about three times, it just gets better. I find myself analysing scenes. Especially ones with the joker. And how heath transforms himself and just engulfs himself into his character, its jus fun to watch. The way his eyes move through scenes to the little manerisms he portrays. He even gave the joker a bit of hunch to his walk. All translate beautifully into fine cinema. If he doesn't win best supporting role, I'll be shocked. I really cant see someone else this year topping off that kind of performance. Something like that comes around once every 10 years. I'm just glad heath was able to put that on film before his ill timed death...
Maria: Jokerslave_o_spike on July 24th, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
Re: WhY sO seRiouS??
'Fixated' is indeed the correct term I would use. I really can't stop thinking about him. I think it's partly because I tend to write about people like him and his portrayal gave me a new view.

And yes! I thought the same thing the minute I heard about Heath's death. That is, the creepy similarity to his and Lee's role. The circumstances of their death were different to be sure, but they were both playing men behind their make-up.

You know, after I saw the movie, I told my daughter's boyfriend that Heath Ledger was the best villain I had seen in a long time. He asked me 'for real?' He thought I might bne saying that because the guy was dead but I said it was for real. Then he and my daughter saw it and agreed.

It's as my hubby says, the guy was a method actor and he just got into the role heavily. It had been said that playing the part of the Joker had really affected him. All I can say is that he did get into his role and pulled if off extremely well...unfortunately. :(

Then again, there are actors in the entertainment field who feel to die after your greatest role ever (and everyone else thinking so) is not so bad.

BTW, who are you?
singlewoman: Ianto eyecandy by madeyemaxsinglewoman on July 25th, 2008 02:32 am (UTC)
I saw TDK last night and was completely blown away, no pun intended. Heath Ledger was beyond amazing, he certainly was the movie. But I enjoyed Gary Oldman almost as much. He was so restrained, very different from his usual roles. In fact, I think Heath Ledger may have taken some of his cues from Oldman.

And Michael Caine, I just love him so!

And is it just me, or did the Joker's tongue flicking remind anyone else of Barty Crouch from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire?

I will see the movie again because I know i missed something. Need a Joker icon.
Maria: Joker - clappingslave_o_spike on July 25th, 2008 06:32 pm (UTC)
*hugs tightly*

Hey you! :)

First off, you can use one of my 3 icons as long as you give credit to those people or you can go to batcons where they have a zillion and one icons of the Joker...and Batman too. :P

Also, even though you may not be interested in Batman/Joker slash (and to tell you the truth, neither am I - I like these guys just the way they are), but there are some Joker centric fic at darkknightfic and knivesandlint.

Anywho, Heath was beyond amazing IMO too! And Oldman - my God! What a great role he played! I really believed he was the civil servant with his hands tied. I've always liked Gary Oldman in anything he played.

Yes! That was what it reminded me of!!! I couldn't remember why that tongue flicking looked so familiar. It was Barty Crouch Jr. I knew why the Joker did it - he probably suffered from dry mouth horribly sue to the scars - it just was that I knew I'd seen it from somewhere.

Megan said she wants to see the movie so I guess, *sigh* I must see it again. LOL!
(Anonymous) on August 14th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
Your blog is interesting!

Keep up the good work!
Maria: Joker - clappingslave_o_spike on September 12th, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
Re: ........
Well, as you can see, I haven't been...


Thanks though. :)
My Flame Burns Bright: Occasion - Birthday Mickeysuch_a_steph on August 23rd, 2008 06:46 am (UTC)
Just popping in to wish you a very happy birthday. Have a great day, and I hope the year ahead holds many wonderful delights for you.

Maria: Angst BJ Missing Youslave_o_spike on September 12th, 2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
*hugs Steph until she pops*

I am so so so so sorry I've been away for so long. To make a long story short (too late), I was in the emergency room on my b-day! You can read it about it when I post either later today or tomorrow. I've been mega busy and all but still that's no excuse to say hi and THANK YOU for the bday wishes.
Love you!!!

*smooches you all over*